Monday, October 31, 2011

BodhiDharma and Bogar

Lately, I have been conducting my Internet surfing research, about a great saint. Well, I got initiated into this due to the interest generated by the movie 7 aum arivu

I watched the Chinese movie "Master of Zen" (Made in 1994) which depicts the complete history of Bodhi Dharma. Bodhi Dharma (before becoming) was a prince in the Pallava Dynasty, that was ruling Tamil Nadu, with Kanchipuram as their capital, during 5th-6th CE. Most of the literature available on the Web, concur that he was born in Kanchipuram, and after adopting Buddhism, and then becoming a Buddhist monk, he moves to China, as per the wishes of his Guru Prajnatara (Buddhist monk). 

Bodhi Dharma first goes to Southern China (Obvious, if you are from India), and then after spending some time there moves to Northern China, and was known to use unorthodox methods of teaching. Primarily he wanted to convey that one needs to perform a self-realization to understand himself, nature and God. He also have taught about physical exercises or self defence (probably a form of varma) to Shaolin monks, to protect themselves. Some more information about Bodhi Dharma, especially the cave where he lived for 9 years, and his burial place could be found here and here.

It is said that Bodhi Dharma during his last days, wanted to travel back to India, but died in China, and buried in the Shaolin temple. But later after his death, some one cites him, and when asked where he was going, he supposed to have told, he was moving towards West (towards India). 

Bhogar / Bogar: Bhogar was a Siddha, meaning a holy saint, who practiced meditation, and other techniques (Mantra, Tantra, Yantra) to attain liberation.They were primarily Saivaites who worshiped Shiva.  Bhogar was known to be a great alchemist. He installed the idol of Lord Muruga in Palani temple (known as Karthikeya, and brother of Lord Ganesha, and son of Lord Shiva) which is made of nine special herbs, and known to have medicinal effects, and stronger than Granite.  He also helped or advised in the construction of the Brihadeeswara temple in Tanjore, around 1000 CE. 

Now comes the interesting part. Some accounts say that Bhogar travelled to China, as per the instructions of his Guru, and then to Srilanka, and lived for several centuries. He also have said to taught tantric techniques in China, and  was known as Lao-Tzu (known to be founder or influence of Taoism) (The theory Yang-Yin is correlated with the Shiva-Shakti). Then in the same accounts it is mentioned that he returns back to India. Incidentally his Guru was Kalanginathar, who was originally from China. The period of Bhogar also seems to be from 8th CE.  Bhogar did have a Chinese disciple Pulippani (renamed in Tamil), who was also a Siddha. Bhogar completes his life's journey in the Palani Murugan temple.  

Another interesting thing is about the dates. Bodhi Dharma, said to be from Pallava Dynasty, belongs to 5th -6th CE, and  said to have lived for 300+ years. The Pallava dynasty come to an end during 8th Century CE, and Cholas emerge as the stronger dynasty, starting from this period. Bhogar's time period starts from 8th, and said to have lived several centuries. Both of them had some connections with China, and both were saints with extraordinary capabilities. Hope this is a enough material for a researcher to carry on further.

Update - October 2013:  As can be read from the comments section, though there have been references to texts that states Bhogar's time period as starting from 3000 BC, there is a significant convergence in many of those accounts from 6th CE onwards and during that period Bhogar is said to have travelled to China (for the second time) with few of his Tamil disciples and supposed to have returned back few centuries later. So, that raises another question - If BodhiDharma and Bhogar were different people, then "Was BodhiDharma one of the disciples of Bhogar, who went to China along with the latter's visit?"

14 comments:

  1. This is really worth a timepass.Siddha medicine is also far better than the English medicine and cures most of the diseases.One needs to believe in Siddha medicine..Again..not everyone would accept this.

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  2. as per my understanding both BodhiDharma and Bogar are some

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    1. Though I too would have come to that assumption, based on some texts, there is a disconnect between their time periods, around 300 years, which is quite significant to ignore!

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  3. The thing which you published here might be wrong. You are saying that, "The period of Bhogar also seems to be from 8th CE" But Bhogar Written “Bogar 7000” and "Bogar 12000" in ancient Tamil language which says His period was around 3000 BCE

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    1. Thanks for the input. I was trying to connect the dots between BodhiDharma and Bogar, because of the similarities, especially the Chinese connection and based on their relatively closer time periods.

      Could you please tell the sources of Tamil text that refer to Bogar time period around 3000 BCE?

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    2. Thanks again. My search reveals few sources mention that Bogar was around 3000 BC and had traveled to China twice (first on the instructions of his Guru) and his second visit was said to be around 590 ADE with Tamil disciples, and advised construction of Brihadeeswara temple in Tanjore, around 1000 CE.

      So there seems to be overlapping of periods between Bodhar and Bodhidharma - May be then Bodhidharma could be one of the disciples who went to china along with Bhogar?

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  5. Siddhar Bogar has been described in varying traditions as a Tamil siddhar who lived sometime between 550 and 300 BCE. Bogar went from Tamil Nadu to China and taught about enlightenment, he mentioned that one of his songs.The Songs and details about siddhar Bogar is available @Kaavidesam. Siddhar Bogar

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  6. If this bogar lived so long ago & wrote books in Tamil(Bogar 700 & bogar 1200) why are they still referring to him as possibly coming from Central asia(IRan?)in the wiki etc.,

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    1. Thanks for the info. Surprised to see that. Let me explore and update.

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  7. Dear Balaji Rajendran,

    Thanks and deeply appreciate for your extensive study on Bogar. Regarding timeline, in Bogar 7000 Sabdhakandam, in song number 2217 to 2235, he mentioned that he has visited the Jerusalem, witnessed the samathi of Jesus and his 12 disciples and then visited Mecca to see the brith place of Mohammed Nab. More interestingly he mentioned the rule of Roman empire in Judea.
    As the life of Jesus in the 1st century and Mohammed Nabi in 4th century, I want to raise a question that can you revisit your timeline of Bogar and fine tune it?.

    With thanks and wishes

    Joseph Thamba

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  8. This is an eminent work ...for my research reference....

    Thaank you

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  9. I had doubt watching surya movie that bogar and bodhidharma are same and my search landed on ur blog. Siddas live for thousands of years. Also bhogar is the one and only one expert in medicine.

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